It all comes back to education in the clouds the question of how best to prepare people mentally for the challenges of life is a huge question (like, just in general), and aristophanes is definite. The trial of socrates: aristophanes’ clouds, part 2 greg johnson then the just and the unjust speech come out of the thinkery personified and have a debate that’s not part of the just speech and, therefore, it’s a major weakness in the just speech the conclusion of the clouds now, let me just sort of sprint to the end of the. Just concedes the argument to unjust and runs away strepsiades leaves phidippides to unjust the clouds threaten the judges if they don’t vote the play the best. Speech really is a powerful tool and unjust speech is certainly a problem, as proven by strepsiades when he takes socrates' lesson on the clouds to mean that the clouds were really a group of new gods. In the end the unjust speech defeats the just speech and pheidippides kills strepsiades the new overcomes the old first, the just speech explains a man’s duties and is for a time in politics when a country is in a patriotic state.
This 5 page paper compares two ancient greek texts, the unjust speech in aristophanes' play the clouds and the athenian thesis in thucydides, and examines the ways in which each text discusses the issues of what is just and unjust, as well as what defines weakness and strength. Aristophanes, the complete plays of aristophanes (clouds), 101-141 josh ober, “public speech and the power of the people in democratic athens,” ps: political science & politics (september 1993):481-486. Just defends the existence of the gods against unjust's skepticism and blames unjust for corrupting the athenian youth and disrupting tradition the chorus of clouds summons just and unjust to a formal debate over education and morality in order to decide how best to teach pheidippides.
Just and unjust speeches are two aspects derived from aristophanes’ play ‘the clouds’ and plato’s in ‘the republic’ according to the aristophanes the speech not only offers some philosophical wits to the educators and the audience, but it offers a resourceful knowledge to the people. Moreover, and in contradistinction to his portrayal in the clouds, socrates held the sophists (personified here by unjust speech) in contempt put another way, we have in the clouds a buffoonish characterization of philosophy. Just and unjust speech in aristophanes' clouds - throughout aristophanes’ “clouds” there is a constant battle between old and new it makes itself apparent in the just and unjust speech as well as between father and son. The clouds strepsiades (sitting up in his bed) ah me ah me o king jupiter, of what a terrible length the nights are will it never be day and yet long since i heard the cock. What we’re going to find as we look at the contest between the just speech and the unjust speech is that the just speech loses yet the just speech is supposedly the speech that aristophanes is most in synch with.
The argument of just and unjust in the clouds, a comedy by aristophanes culminates with unjust apparently winning the day in book 1 of the republic thrasymachus claims that injustice is stronger, freer and generally more powerful than justice. “the clouds” (gr: “nephelai”) is a comedy by the ancient greek playwright aristophanes, originally produced at the athens city dionysia of 423 bce it is perhaps the world's first extant “comedy of ideas” and lampoons intellectual fashions in classical athens. Aristophanes' clouds by john porter, university of saskatchewan notice: this material is the copyrighted property of the author and should not be reproduced without the author's permission. Within his ancient play ‘the clouds,’ aristophanes examines two particular kinds of speech, just and unjust speech, and their timeless conflict.
The carnage of just speech william myers section eschenburg thursday 9:00am topic b aristophanes & pericles in aristophanes’ play, “clouds”, there is a battle between the “old” and “new” way of going out about life. Moreover, and in contradistinction to his portrayal in the clouds, socrates held the sophists (personified here by unjust speech) in contempt put another way, we have in the clouds a buffoonish. Aristophanes’ play, “clouds”, there is a battle between the “old” and “new” way of going out about life this can be seen through the “just” and “unjust” speech, whose argumentative outcomes dictate the way in which society should go about educating its citizens.
The clouds homework help questions what are the main arguments advanced by the unjust logos in aristophanes' clouds the argument between the two logoi, or arguments, in aristophanes' clouds is. The just speech accuses the unjust speech of being shameless cynic and mad patricide who is teaching mindless things the fashionable and novel unjust speech argues that the just speech is ancient and out-dated.
The character of the clouds with in the play the clouds, play an interesting role in the understanding of the just versus unjust argument aristophanes’ traditional views are brought out by the chorus of clouds in true satire nature in the form of engulfing a dual characterization directly addressing the audience. Clouds to unjust & just stop your battling and raillery but display, you, what you used to teach them in the past, and you, the novel education, so that he, when he's heard you both speaking against each other, may decide and go to school. Study guide to clouds (423): with this play we turn back the clock 20 years before the restoration of democracy in 403 the original production came 2 years after acharnians 12 years before lysistrata one problem with this play, however, is that it was given a significant revision some years later, perhaps around 415. The clouds by aristophanes written 423 bce more and more volubly from here to the end of speech so let them do with me as they will i yield my body to them come blows, come hunger the just and unjust discourse themselves shall instruct him i shall leave you strepsiades.